Challenge: Build TRUST for strong reputation networks - Urgent Evoke2024-03-28T19:48:18Zhttp://www.urgentevoke.com/forum/topics/challenge-build-trust-for?commentId=4871302%3AComment%3A92188&feed=yes&xn_auth=noDear Evo and my fellow EVOKER…tag:www.urgentevoke.com,2010-05-22:4871302:Comment:1540252010-05-22T10:34:01.575ZPradip Deyhttp://www.urgentevoke.com/profile/PradipDey
Dear Evo and my fellow EVOKERs,<br />
Good day!<br />
I think following 3 do's and 2 don'ts will serve the purpose.<br />
1. Be honest while responding to ones query.<br />
2. Value others time on net--be brief, as far as practicable.<br />
3. Be good to others.<br />
4. Never encourage to form sub-group within group.<br />
5. Never be negative while participating in discussion.<br />
Thanks and regards,<br />
Pradip Dey
Dear Evo and my fellow EVOKERs,<br />
Good day!<br />
I think following 3 do's and 2 don'ts will serve the purpose.<br />
1. Be honest while responding to ones query.<br />
2. Value others time on net--be brief, as far as practicable.<br />
3. Be good to others.<br />
4. Never encourage to form sub-group within group.<br />
5. Never be negative while participating in discussion.<br />
Thanks and regards,<br />
Pradip Dey Firstly, I would like to say…tag:www.urgentevoke.com,2010-05-12:4871302:Comment:1483272010-05-12T18:19:29.204ZYEH MAKEBE ELVIShttp://www.urgentevoke.com/profile/YEHMAKEBEELVIS
Firstly, I would like to say I'm a christian.I am a man of my words.I have been told to always speak the truth to people. Deceiving people doesn't pay me in any way.I look onto fulfilling every job given to me in times of extreme stress and crisis; giving the best I can to get the job done.I will put the EVOKE network my number one priority, and I will be accountable to every actions I take to the World Bank Group.
Firstly, I would like to say I'm a christian.I am a man of my words.I have been told to always speak the truth to people. Deceiving people doesn't pay me in any way.I look onto fulfilling every job given to me in times of extreme stress and crisis; giving the best I can to get the job done.I will put the EVOKE network my number one priority, and I will be accountable to every actions I take to the World Bank Group. I love this challenge to the…tag:www.urgentevoke.com,2010-05-12:4871302:Comment:1480192010-05-12T15:57:43.366Zvalentina mainihttp://www.urgentevoke.com/profile/valentinamaini
I love this challenge to the network because seems quite a k-issue for solving real problems through the net.<br />
i agree completly with Buffy B and some older post where the questions is "solved" by saying that maybe is not exactly a question of trust.....<br />
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My point of view after this experience...for exemple: i really enjoy the evoke experience and i think is very important to follow on this path....but i couldn't be present when the game started...so i've been evoking like crazy in 2 days...i…
I love this challenge to the network because seems quite a k-issue for solving real problems through the net.<br />
i agree completly with Buffy B and some older post where the questions is "solved" by saying that maybe is not exactly a question of trust.....<br />
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My point of view after this experience...for exemple: i really enjoy the evoke experience and i think is very important to follow on this path....but i couldn't be present when the game started...so i've been evoking like crazy in 2 days...i called: full immersion... and i hope that this effort could be of some purpose for somebody else...not only myself...<br />
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I would love to put energy in something useful... and in doing so having fun and learning... if i'm not able to really participate in networking but i can do the mission and something in my work can be useful to somebody...and in doing so i have develloped or discovered something useful for myself...then great!!! and i really don't need trust.... i simply need transparency and i would love to have feedback...to know that somebody is listening...if nobody gives feedback.... you get tired...mentorship here has been a great help...<br />
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ok..sorry for english...:-)<br />
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@Janak i love your definition of trust...but then how do you know when you are needed? and how do you know you can answer the need of somebody that doesn't ask? or doesn't know that you can help? I really like your post and p…tag:www.urgentevoke.com,2010-05-10:4871302:Comment:1444162010-05-10T05:30:37.455ZBuffy Bhttp://www.urgentevoke.com/profile/BuffyB
I really like your post and pointing out that we first 'listen'. We don't have the normal visual clues but in most cases it builds over time as character develops, and there's an understanding we think alike in in that we want to bring change to the world.<br />
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To build trust takes time for me. It's how we communicate (or listen) and how often, and what the topics are. I try to keep an open mind about who I'm meeting but I never forget I don't really know the person.<br />
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I really like your post and pointing out that we first 'listen'. We don't have the normal visual clues but in most cases it builds over time as character develops, and there's an understanding we think alike in in that we want to bring change to the world.<br />
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To build trust takes time for me. It's how we communicate (or listen) and how often, and what the topics are. I try to keep an open mind about who I'm meeting but I never forget I don't really know the person.<br />
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<cite>Arunas P said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.urgentevoke.com/forum/topics/challenge-build-trust-for?id=4871302%3ATopic%3A74864&page=2#4871302Comment112773"><div>Trust is very difficult to define as it's too personal thing.<br/> As people before me mentioned in online communities commitment is all too often mistaken for trust. For example taking computer games as an example: take a player that is extremely committed to the game, is always on time for events and possibly organises a lot of them. In this case I would agree that there may be someone else, who invests just as much time as him, that really trusts him, but could he be trusted by someone who neglects the game, or simply does not have time? Maybe, but not necessary.
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So in my opinion would be that trust exist between friends and can only be (dis)proven by unexpected situations, that require some serious effort by one party without expecting any reward.<br />
In various projects/games/etc what you want is commitment, and if you can befriend and trust someone - it's a bonus.<br />
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As for collaboration one way to do it (naturally that would possibly require some modifications to system) would be to disperse different messages to different users, not unique but just a few variations, and make users find who has the other part they need, or simply make them do something in a group and add a way to anonymously vote contribution by other members of a group.</div>
</blockquote> Trust is built through reliab…tag:www.urgentevoke.com,2010-05-07:4871302:Comment:1410822010-05-07T00:41:58.191ZJanak Patelhttp://www.urgentevoke.com/profile/JanakPatel
Trust is built through reliability more than other things.<br />
You show trustworthy by coming through when you are needed, and being true to yourself and others.
Trust is built through reliability more than other things.<br />
You show trustworthy by coming through when you are needed, and being true to yourself and others. Thanks Evo for your piece of…tag:www.urgentevoke.com,2010-05-02:4871302:Comment:1234872010-05-02T18:36:07.860ZNANGAR SOOMROhttp://www.urgentevoke.com/profile/NANGARSOOMRO
Thanks Evo for your piece of mind on it...... The first proof for trust is We are here and we listen each other, Secondly Evoke is the plateform where by exactly we can translate our words into trust. I think we all are volunteerly working for the international development and we trust that we will be working together...... I think we dont need any guarantee from each other........... because again it would be shaped in words and you know untill there are actions trust can not be developed on…
Thanks Evo for your piece of mind on it...... The first proof for trust is We are here and we listen each other, Secondly Evoke is the plateform where by exactly we can translate our words into trust. I think we all are volunteerly working for the international development and we trust that we will be working together...... I think we dont need any guarantee from each other........... because again it would be shaped in words and you know untill there are actions trust can not be developed on mere words............ For me, Actions speak louder than words............. Trust can only be achieved or…tag:www.urgentevoke.com,2010-05-02:4871302:Comment:1148422010-05-02T02:49:41.200ZJulian Wellshttp://www.urgentevoke.com/profile/JulianWells
Trust can only be achieved or gained by seeing what the person on the other side is willing to do for you and others. I tend to trust most people to be themselves and rather than judge or pick appart their weaknesses I just move on if the person I am dealing/working with does not engage or have what I consider valid interaction.<br />
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I am a firm belevier in the Term/Concept of: "Emotional intelligence" - see and read the book by Daniel Coleman<br />
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Some folks have it some don't, others have it and…
Trust can only be achieved or gained by seeing what the person on the other side is willing to do for you and others. I tend to trust most people to be themselves and rather than judge or pick appart their weaknesses I just move on if the person I am dealing/working with does not engage or have what I consider valid interaction.<br />
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I am a firm belevier in the Term/Concept of: "Emotional intelligence" - see and read the book by Daniel Coleman<br />
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Some folks have it some don't, others have it and don't even know what it is or how they apply it to life on a day to day basis. Trust is very difficult to de…tag:www.urgentevoke.com,2010-05-01:4871302:Comment:1127732010-05-01T22:55:53.394ZArunas Phttp://www.urgentevoke.com/profile/ArP
Trust is very difficult to define as it's too personal thing.<br />
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As people before me mentioned in online communities commitment is all too often mistaken for trust. For example taking computer games as an example: take a player that is extremely committed to the game, is always on time for events and possibly organises a lot of them. In this case I would agree that there may be someone else, who invests just as much time as him, that really trusts him, but could he be trusted by someone who…
Trust is very difficult to define as it's too personal thing.<br />
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As people before me mentioned in online communities commitment is all too often mistaken for trust. For example taking computer games as an example: take a player that is extremely committed to the game, is always on time for events and possibly organises a lot of them. In this case I would agree that there may be someone else, who invests just as much time as him, that really trusts him, but could he be trusted by someone who neglects the game, or simply does not have time? Maybe, but not necessary.<br />
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So in my opinion would be that trust exist between friends and can only be (dis)proven by unexpected situations, that require some serious effort by one party without expecting any reward.<br />
In various projects/games/etc what you want is commitment, and if you can befriend and trust someone - it's a bonus.<br />
<br />
As for collaboration one way to do it (naturally that would possibly require some modifications to system) would be to disperse different messages to different users, not unique but just a few variations, and make users find who has the other part they need, or simply make them do something in a group and add a way to anonymously vote contribution by other members of a group. While everyone knows that tru…tag:www.urgentevoke.com,2010-04-25:4871302:Comment:1044532010-04-25T23:04:34.016ZJeremy Laird Hogghttp://www.urgentevoke.com/profile/JeremyLairdHogg
While everyone knows that trust is important at the level of platitude, it's nice to have some journeying-experts on hand who have a more lived appreciation of it especially in relation to the sorts of problems we are facing on EVOKE like working with NGOs. (+1 run-on sentence)<br />
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I think their is a big human difference between trustworthiness and dependability. Clearly, there will be overlap. But I would like to hear what people who work with NGOs have to say about the difference.<br />
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I think trust…
While everyone knows that trust is important at the level of platitude, it's nice to have some journeying-experts on hand who have a more lived appreciation of it especially in relation to the sorts of problems we are facing on EVOKE like working with NGOs. (+1 run-on sentence)<br />
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I think their is a big human difference between trustworthiness and dependability. Clearly, there will be overlap. But I would like to hear what people who work with NGOs have to say about the difference.<br />
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I think trust lies in the expectation of caring (at best) and lack of treachery, ship-jumping, and negligence (at least). Dependability lies in the expectation that delivery of output will a) be punctual, contextual, and reliable and that there will be b) intelligent, effortful, and quick response to mistakes or unforeseeable disruptions to the delivery of output.<br />
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With that distinction and human nature in mind, I surmise that potential beneficiaries and NGOs will be acutely aware of how easy it is to act untrustworthy and pretend (or self-deceive) that a given untrustworthy act is the less morally blameworthy act of in-dependability. (+2 run-on sentence)<br />
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There is lots of easy wiggle room for moral fudge factor since the beneficiaries don't have the social capital to make benefactors ashamed (easily).<br />
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fudge-factor - <a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/dan_ariely_on_our_buggy_moral_code.html" target="_blank">http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/dan_ariely_on_our_buggy_moral_code.html</a><br />
in a totally different context. Trust, hmm tough one. Trust c…tag:www.urgentevoke.com,2010-04-20:4871302:Comment:973812010-04-20T03:43:59.689ZRichard Beresfordhttp://www.urgentevoke.com/profile/RichardBeresford
Trust, hmm tough one. Trust comes in many forms, trusting someone to be on time for something is alot different from trusting them with your life in a high pressure or spontaneous situation. One is time-keeping & putting an equal value on others' time and the other is a test of true character.<br />
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Its also important to realise the difference between reputation and character - reputation is merely how someone seems from other people's perspectives - and is often a truer indicator of the…
Trust, hmm tough one. Trust comes in many forms, trusting someone to be on time for something is alot different from trusting them with your life in a high pressure or spontaneous situation. One is time-keeping & putting an equal value on others' time and the other is a test of true character.<br />
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Its also important to realise the difference between reputation and character - reputation is merely how someone seems from other people's perspectives - and is often a truer indicator of the character of the JudgER not the judgEE. Another way to look at this is its often easier (on forums) to see someone's character from what they infer about what other people are saying, i.e. the meaning they themselves add 'in between the lines'.<br />
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I agree that the 'gap' between what people say and how they act is a very good indicator of character, but would be even harder to spot in this medium - given all the oppertunity for mis-representation. It's easy to lie in a blog , unverifiable 'facts' arent really facts. Also the fact that people can infer all sorts of things from writing which is lacking in any 'tone of voice' could lead to issues long term with trying to build this sort of model of someone's inherent trust-worthyness - we may build a 'bad model' of someone in our heads; based on our own prejudices.<br />
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I hate to say it, but I feel the only way to truly know if you could trust someone (to overcome their greed or sense of 'selfbenefit') in that 'shit hits the fan moment' is to let the shit hit the fan and see what happens.<br />
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That's not to say we can't simulate lots of shit hitting lots of fans, and I follow Jane's lead on this one, lets use MMORPG to solve this problem for us - look at what something awful did to EVE through their gaming community (busy little bees). We could follow their model of involving people in regular expeditions into other 'virtual worlds' - It's important to not let the focus on the goal of evoke blind us from other possibilities - so we could build trust and a real community in the same way we do it in reality - through interacting with each other in many different ways and environments. Even if its just the odd game of chess, i'm not suggesting we all become WoW junkies.<br />
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Anyhow, thats my ten-pence worth :P<br />
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<a href="http://www.ted.com" target="_blank">www.ted.com</a> <- i'm putting this everywhere, enlighten one's-self, its much better than 'TV' :P