Episode 4 MISSION: Water Crisis - Urgent Evoke2024-03-29T10:19:19Zhttp://www.urgentevoke.com/forum/topics/episode-4-mission-water-crisis?commentId=4871302%3AComment%3A78613&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI dont understand the part ab…tag:www.urgentevoke.com,2012-11-01:4871302:Comment:2435762012-11-01T23:55:51.328ZNaamaErezhttp://www.urgentevoke.com/profile/NaamaErez
<p>I dont understand the part about how all the filters are shipped?</p>
<p>I dont understand the part about how all the filters are shipped?</p> I enjoy how evoke is helping…tag:www.urgentevoke.com,2012-10-31:4871302:Comment:2431292012-10-31T00:38:02.578ZKennedy Suttlehttp://www.urgentevoke.com/profile/KennedySuttle
I enjoy how evoke is helping current situations thoughtout the world. I also want evoke to create solutions that can help us now in real life.
I enjoy how evoke is helping current situations thoughtout the world. I also want evoke to create solutions that can help us now in real life. One thing I think we could do…tag:www.urgentevoke.com,2012-10-30:4871302:Comment:2430222012-10-30T22:35:40.397ZHannah Rose Fountainhttp://www.urgentevoke.com/profile/HannahRoseFountain
<p>One thing I think we could do to <br></br> 1) stop water contamination, and<br></br> 2) prevent people from drinking contaminated water is maybe start a neighborhood or citywide group that publicizes how much we contaminate water and the kinds of horrible diseases that can happen from the ingestion of this water. Then, if more people were aware and started conserving and trying to pollute water less, the organization could become countywide, statewide, even nationwide. If we could make an…</p>
<p>One thing I think we could do to <br/> 1) stop water contamination, and<br/>
2) prevent people from drinking contaminated water is maybe start a neighborhood or citywide group that publicizes how much we contaminate water and the kinds of horrible diseases that can happen from the ingestion of this water. Then, if more people were aware and started conserving and trying to pollute water less, the organization could become countywide, statewide, even nationwide. If we could make an organization like this, water contamination could be lessened and people might not have to worry as much.</p> I think it's good that people…tag:www.urgentevoke.com,2012-10-30:4871302:Comment:2431062012-10-30T21:47:42.585ZChristian Suttonhttp://www.urgentevoke.com/profile/ChristianSutton
<p>I think it's good that people help solve the water crisis with many solutions.</p>
<p>I think it's good that people help solve the water crisis with many solutions.</p> It isreally interesing how th…tag:www.urgentevoke.com,2012-10-30:4871302:Comment:2431852012-10-30T00:31:16.033ZHarris Cohenhttp://www.urgentevoke.com/profile/HarrisCohen
<p>It isreally interesing how that much water can get contaminated. All there water supply got tanted, and that is a lot to comprahend. It is uneasing knowing that water can get contaminated.</p>
<p>It isreally interesing how that much water can get contaminated. All there water supply got tanted, and that is a lot to comprahend. It is uneasing knowing that water can get contaminated.</p> I think the water crisis is h…tag:www.urgentevoke.com,2012-10-29:4871302:Comment:2431762012-10-29T21:51:02.803ZCeCe Streethttp://www.urgentevoke.com/profile/CeCeStreet
<p>I think the water crisis is horrible. I know that a lot of us take water for granted and the fact that some people only have access to unclean, unfiltered water is unsettling. I think we should do whatever we can to stop this problem.</p>
<p>I think the water crisis is horrible. I know that a lot of us take water for granted and the fact that some people only have access to unclean, unfiltered water is unsettling. I think we should do whatever we can to stop this problem.</p> a not-so-subtle pattern emerg…tag:www.urgentevoke.com,2010-04-10:4871302:Comment:883172010-04-10T23:50:46.926ZnomadHARhttp://www.urgentevoke.com/profile/nomadHAR
a not-so-subtle pattern emerges that everyone in this discussion has pointed out. most of the 'solutions' put forth in the story are actually really terrible and not sustainable. the unifying theme of the 'solutions'? making money and building new businesses. community businesses that will likely need loans, 'granted' by the World Bank.
a not-so-subtle pattern emerges that everyone in this discussion has pointed out. most of the 'solutions' put forth in the story are actually really terrible and not sustainable. the unifying theme of the 'solutions'? making money and building new businesses. community businesses that will likely need loans, 'granted' by the World Bank. Kevin, we're in total agreeme…tag:www.urgentevoke.com,2010-04-03:4871302:Comment:786192010-04-03T11:38:52.446ZChristian McCreahttp://www.urgentevoke.com/profile/ChristianMcCrea
Kevin, we're in total agreement, 100% down the line. A co-operative mechanism that is unambiguously owned locally, controlled locally and not under threat by any outside measure is of course the best option. I refer only to explicit attempts to privatise water in the name of that same stability.<br />
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Kevin, we're in total agreement, 100% down the line. A co-operative mechanism that is unambiguously owned locally, controlled locally and not under threat by any outside measure is of course the best option. I refer only to explicit attempts to privatise water in the name of that same stability.<br />
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<cite>Kevin McGonigal said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.urgentevoke.com/forum/topics/episode-4-mission-water-crisis?commentId=4871302%3AComment%3A78613&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4871302Comment78613"><div>Christian: I don't want to beat a dead horse on this but while government created water and sewage authorities supported by state entities may be the best solution for safe drinking water, there are simply too many regions where this is not practicable. This is not an arguement for a commercial, for profit, venture but more in the line of a co-op where the beneficiaries also control the process. A village controlled and operated system, whether it employs filtration or cisterns or iodine purification enables these people to control their own resources and their own destiny. It empowers people and lets them become independent of outside, often distant, unresponsive and indifferent governments that cannot be relied upon to provide any kind of basic services. In the Western World governents are mostly benevolent, capable and desireous of providing basic services. In much of the developing world government is none of this. If these people wait for their government to provide these sanitation services they will wait for something that will not happen. They must act on their own or perish in the interim.<br/> <br/>
<cite>Christian McCrea said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.urgentevoke.com/forum/topics/episode-4-mission-water-crisis?commentId=4871302%3AComment%3A78329&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4871302Comment78329"><div>I will pit the history of privately owned water systems against the history of publically owned water systems any day. "Local ownership" is fine as long as it actually is that, and I agree that corrupt governments stop this from happening, you have no disagreement there. But the record for solving that with private ownership of water is - lets be generous - shoockingly poor. Infrastructure that can solidify the links between needs and provision are always going to be the best resolution.<br/><br/><cite>Kevin McGonigal said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.urgentevoke.com/forum/topics/episode-4-mission-water-crisis?commentId=4871302%3AComment%3A77678&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4871302Comment77678"><div>Christian: I am not sure what it is you are saying. You seem to be saying that the aqueducts were flawed because they were a private commercial venture. If that is what you meant to say that would be incorrect in the case of Ancient Rome. The Romans brought public baths and fountains with them wherever they conquered, fed by government constructed and maintained aqueducts so actually they demonstrate that public funding of drinking water has worked well since the time of the aqueduct. The problem, however, is that some goverments are so inept and corrupt that they will not or cannot construct the infrastructure to tap into a secure water source and then distribute it over a wide area. Such infrastructure is actually pretty new. After the collapse of the Roman Empire, circa 500 AD, most of the Western World lacked a safe secure water system until the latter part of the 19th Century, and that was limited to urban areas. What many parts of the developing world need is a system that is locally controlled and readily operated with a minimum of engineering, one that they can sustain without depending on a government that may, or may not, be capable of providing abundant, clean water with dependable regularity.<br/><br/><cite>Christian McCrea said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.urgentevoke.com/forum/topics/episode-4-mission-water-crisis?commentId=4871302%3AComment%3A77055&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4871302Comment77055"><div>The best water system is a government-owned not-for-profit system. Commercial imperatives have not worked, once, ever, in the history of our planet - ancient or modern - in running sanitation and water supply systems. It was tried at the birth of the aquaduct as it is tried now. Its bad business, its bad planning - its just plain bad. Basic services are things that are supportable by other governments. If we want to help developing countries, teaching them to never rely on commerce for basic services is the first step.</div>
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Christian: I don't want to beat a dead horse on this but while government created water and sewage authorities supported by state entities may be the best solution for safe drinking water, there are simply too many regions where this is not practicable. This is not an arguement for a commercial, for profit, venture but more in the line of a co-op where the beneficiaries also control the process. A village controlled and operated system, whether it employs filtration or cisterns or iodine…
Christian: I don't want to beat a dead horse on this but while government created water and sewage authorities supported by state entities may be the best solution for safe drinking water, there are simply too many regions where this is not practicable. This is not an arguement for a commercial, for profit, venture but more in the line of a co-op where the beneficiaries also control the process. A village controlled and operated system, whether it employs filtration or cisterns or iodine purification enables these people to control their own resources and their own destiny. It empowers people and lets them become independent of outside, often distant, unresponsive and indifferent governments that cannot be relied upon to provide any kind of basic services. In the Western World governents are mostly benevolent, capable and desireous of providing basic services. In much of the developing world government is none of this. If these people wait for their government to provide these sanitation services they will wait for something that will not happen. They must act on their own or perish in the interim.<br />
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<cite>Christian McCrea said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.urgentevoke.com/forum/topics/episode-4-mission-water-crisis?commentId=4871302%3AComment%3A78329&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4871302Comment78329"><div>I will pit the history of privately owned water systems against the history of publically owned water systems any day. "Local ownership" is fine as long as it actually is that, and I agree that corrupt governments stop this from happening, you have no disagreement there. But the record for solving that with private ownership of water is - lets be generous - shoockingly poor. Infrastructure that can solidify the links between needs and provision are always going to be the best resolution.<br/><br/><cite>Kevin McGonigal said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.urgentevoke.com/forum/topics/episode-4-mission-water-crisis?commentId=4871302%3AComment%3A77678&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4871302Comment77678"><div>Christian: I am not sure what it is you are saying. You seem to be saying that the aqueducts were flawed because they were a private commercial venture. If that is what you meant to say that would be incorrect in the case of Ancient Rome. The Romans brought public baths and fountains with them wherever they conquered, fed by government constructed and maintained aqueducts so actually they demonstrate that public funding of drinking water has worked well since the time of the aqueduct. The problem, however, is that some goverments are so inept and corrupt that they will not or cannot construct the infrastructure to tap into a secure water source and then distribute it over a wide area. Such infrastructure is actually pretty new. After the collapse of the Roman Empire, circa 500 AD, most of the Western World lacked a safe secure water system until the latter part of the 19th Century, and that was limited to urban areas. What many parts of the developing world need is a system that is locally controlled and readily operated with a minimum of engineering, one that they can sustain without depending on a government that may, or may not, be capable of providing abundant, clean water with dependable regularity.<br/><br/><cite>Christian McCrea said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.urgentevoke.com/forum/topics/episode-4-mission-water-crisis?commentId=4871302%3AComment%3A77055&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4871302Comment77055"><div>The best water system is a government-owned not-for-profit system. Commercial imperatives have not worked, once, ever, in the history of our planet - ancient or modern - in running sanitation and water supply systems. It was tried at the birth of the aquaduct as it is tried now. Its bad business, its bad planning - its just plain bad. Basic services are things that are supportable by other governments. If we want to help developing countries, teaching them to never rely on commerce for basic services is the first step.</div>
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</blockquote> I will pit the history of pri…tag:www.urgentevoke.com,2010-04-03:4871302:Comment:783292010-04-03T03:53:59.555ZChristian McCreahttp://www.urgentevoke.com/profile/ChristianMcCrea
I will pit the history of privately owned water systems against the history of publically owned water systems any day. "Local ownership" is fine as long as it actually is that, and I agree that corrupt governments stop this from happening, you have no disagreement there. But the record for solving that with private ownership of water is - lets be generous - shoockingly poor. Infrastructure that can solidify the links between needs and provision are always going to be the best…
I will pit the history of privately owned water systems against the history of publically owned water systems any day. "Local ownership" is fine as long as it actually is that, and I agree that corrupt governments stop this from happening, you have no disagreement there. But the record for solving that with private ownership of water is - lets be generous - shoockingly poor. Infrastructure that can solidify the links between needs and provision are always going to be the best resolution.<br />
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<cite>Kevin McGonigal said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.urgentevoke.com/forum/topics/episode-4-mission-water-crisis?commentId=4871302%3AComment%3A77678&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4871302Comment77678"><div>Christian: I am not sure what it is you are saying. You seem to be saying that the aqueducts were flawed because they were a private commercial venture. If that is what you meant to say that would be incorrect in the case of Ancient Rome. The Romans brought public baths and fountains with them wherever they conquered, fed by government constructed and maintained aqueducts so actually they demonstrate that public funding of drinking water has worked well since the time of the aqueduct. The problem, however, is that some goverments are so inept and corrupt that they will not or cannot construct the infrastructure to tap into a secure water source and then distribute it over a wide area. Such infrastructure is actually pretty new. After the collapse of the Roman Empire, circa 500 AD, most of the Western World lacked a safe secure water system until the latter part of the 19th Century, and that was limited to urban areas. What many parts of the developing world need is a system that is locally controlled and readily operated with a minimum of engineering, one that they can sustain without depending on a government that may, or may not, be capable of providing abundant, clean water with dependable regularity.<br/> <br/>
<cite>Christian McCrea said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://www.urgentevoke.com/forum/topics/episode-4-mission-water-crisis?commentId=4871302%3AComment%3A77055&xg_source=msg_com_forum#4871302Comment77055"><div>The best water system is a government-owned not-for-profit system. Commercial imperatives have not worked, once, ever, in the history of our planet - ancient or modern - in running sanitation and water supply systems. It was tried at the birth of the aquaduct as it is tried now. Its bad business, its bad planning - its just plain bad. Basic services are things that are supportable by other governments. If we want to help developing countries, teaching them to never rely on commerce for basic services is the first step.</div>
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