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Am I worried about Evoke stealing my ideas?
Someone just asked me another great question, so I figured I'd again share my answer with everyone in hopes it might help cultivate a sharing culture, and to start any discussions to get concerns about this kind of thing out in the open. Here's a message I received from a friend on Evoke earlier:
these guys have way too muc info on their hands
it makes me wonder about their policy as to what theyre allowed to do
with their data
im talking of security for stuff we post, and also intellectual property
rigths etc
what exactly are they/we now into
a guy called ****** here posted about a secret job given to him by
alchemy that suggests he had to look through data to find out who is
against *** who for kind of thing
and he found that the site is the best hes come across interms of
doc**enting and tracking ever cos evrything that ever happened is neatly
laid out in grids of data with clear time sequencing
this is amazing but also very super surveillanceish isnt it if you think
about it i mean not that it is but it can be used that way
so what is it?
social engineering or social harvesting for profit that wont go to the
majority of the ones who participate
a bit of both i guess - a giant labo, labyrinth ,social experiment
but not knowingly may be
what do you think?
And here was my reply:
In my opinion anything we post here is public domain, so if you're worried about that then don't post it here, it's as simple as that. If
you have some IP you want to develop, don't post it here. On the other
hand, the idea behind the open source community is that together we can
make something better than any one of us could. So in that spirit, I try
to share as many of my ideas as I can in hopes that I will spark
someone's interest and will then have additional help to make something
which is much more likely to succeed!
I will reiterate what I've said before, I don't mind other people gaining from my involvement, in fact that's what the wh*** site is based on! We should all be learning from one another....Please check back with some of my other blogs like this one, asking Evoke to share some of what they are learning back with us
http://www.urgentevoke.com/profiles/blogs/a-week-without-a-major-fe...
I'm hoping Evoke practices what they preach, and until they prove otherwise, I'll assume they believe in what they're selling :)
these guys have way too muc info on their hands
it makes me wonder about their policy as to what theyre allowed to do
with their data
im talking of security for stuff we post, and also intellectual property
rigths etc
what exactly are they/we now into
a guy called ****** here posted about a secret job given to him by
alchemy that suggests he had to look through data to find out who is
against *** who for kind of thing
and he found that the site is the best hes come across interms of
doc**enting and tracking ever cos evrything that ever happened is neatly
laid out in grids of data with clear time sequencing
this is amazing but also very super surveillanceish isnt it if you think
about it i mean not that it is but it can be used that way
so what is it?
social engineering or social harvesting for profit that wont go to the
majority of the ones who participate
a bit of both i guess - a giant labo, labyrinth ,social experiment
but not knowingly may be
what do you think?
And here was my reply:
In my opinion anything we post here is public domain, so if you're worried about that then don't post it here, it's as simple as that. If
you have some IP you want to develop, don't post it here. On the other
hand, the idea behind the open source community is that together we can
make something better than any one of us could. So in that spirit, I try
to share as many of my ideas as I can in hopes that I will spark
someone's interest and will then have additional help to make something
which is much more likely to succeed!
I will reiterate what I've said before, I don't mind other people gaining from my involvement, in fact that's what the wh*** site is based on! We should all be learning from one another....Please check back with some of my other blogs like this one, asking Evoke to share some of what they are learning back with us
http://www.urgentevoke.com/profiles/blogs/a-week-without-a-major-fe...
I'm hoping Evoke practices what they preach, and until they prove otherwise, I'll assume they believe in what they're selling :)
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Comment by John D. Boyden on March 25, 2010 at 7:47pm
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Yup I think you are right on all counts. +1 collaboaration
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Comment by Raymond M. Kristiansen on March 25, 2010 at 7:54pm
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Evoke is an ARG, it is an experiment for Jane, it is a testbed for the WBI.
If they were going to sell your ideas, steal them, they wouldnt gain anything at all, actually. They basically just want to give the users some basic concepts, and some of the users will be pooled for further engagement. My bet is that within 5 years, at least 10 World Bank or WBI employees will have been graduates from Evoke 2010. Here is a quote from this:
"Bob Hawkins, senior education specialist with the World Bank Institute, said one big reason people in African countries aren't as entrepreneurial and innovative as those in the West is that they don't feel as empowered to create change. That's largely why his international development group is funding McGonigal's project to the tune of $500,000."
500K is nothing for the WB/WBI. This is CHEAP, a dirt cheap social engineering testbed. It is gathering so much mainstream press that the old concept of "serious games" will get a well-deserved boost, and soon there will be more sites like this, cloaking PR, recruitment, viral marketing etc within a semi-fictional world.
I haven't been so active the last weeks here, but I am closely following the data streams. Interesting stuff going on under the radar of that stupid leaderboard. I am sure it will return, do not worry. There is no chance there won't be any such elitist mechanisms on this site.
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