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Organism // a social collaboration platform // Evokation

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Organism Team Info

(agent) Geoff Matheson - Concept Artist and Team Leader

(agent) Gabriel Martin - Education Visionary and Team Leader

(agent) Daniel LaLiberte - Programming Expert and Team Leader

(agent) Michele Baron - Communication Expert and Team Leader

Rob Desmeres - Finance

Neal Burd*** - Interactive Design

Erik Lund - Print/Brand Design

Our team would like to be considered for all prizes available. However the prize that our team would benefit from the most would be mentorship.

Geoffrey Matheson (wintermute) is requesting a mentorship with Dan Morris

Gabriel Martin is requesting a mentorship with Erik Hersman

For more information and to join the effort please visit our site: http://www.wiserearth.org/group/Organism

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Comment by Wintermute on May 16, 2010 at 5:12am
Awesome Daniel, can you message me your email so that we can send you information
Comment by Jeremy Laird Hogg on May 16, 2010 at 5:30am
This sounds really good, imho. It's not my area of expertise, but there is one minor point I can comment on:

"Let us say that if users with 100-points are limited to +1 scoring, I would like to explore whether or not users with 1000-points should be enabled to grant +10, or any number from 1-10. I question if this would have an skewing effect on the network."

This creates barrier to entry, because new joiners will have less power that the everyone else; those who happen to join earlier will be much more likely to end up having a much greater say and who has cred (given through points). I see no obvious advantage to that, and the disadvantage of discouraging newer joiners. That may be other ways to solve for this problem other than by axing the idea, but I do forsee that challenge.
Comment by Samiran Roy on May 16, 2010 at 7:16am
I have random thoughts about this.

Why are you focusing on a prestige/voting system for users only? Do this for the projects too.

My impression of 'Organism', is that it is basically a network of evokations. People can search projects by location and topic. They are filtered by rating.(Something like Kiva) You get basic info on each. You find one suitable for you whose requirements you meet, and offer to join it(Each project is something like a ning network). If you are accepted, you get introduced to the finer workings. You collaborate and invite like minded people to join the initiative.

Please think on a feature to link/combine similar projects.

It will be useful to make three kinds, an open project(anyone can join), a moderated one(You need requirements, and need to be 'approved' to join) and a secret one(Invisibe to everyone),(like facebook groups)

Also, How much control will a person have over his/her project? Can he/she kick out anyone they dislike?

There should be three kinds of 'Profiles' a user profile, a location profile, and a project profile.

Use a mapping system, where you can click on any part of the world which would open the location profile which will enlist the projects on that location.

I personally don't care about a point system for users, why do you feel it is so important?
I do have an alternative though.

Don't go with the "+1 something".

Have two kinds of point systems:

People will gain Prestige Points(PP) based on the feedback they give. They read a blog post and give a comment which has a like/dislike button. People will vote accordingly.

+1 PP for like and -1 PP for dislike. Limit the system such that points are not counted when they become more than say -5 negative for the user, so people are not discouraged. and not more than +20 say, so people don't become overconfident.

Do this like/unlike Prestige thing for the blogs posts too.

On top of this, create the power votes(Proper balanced ones, not the ones we have here). People will start by giving only one vote, as they gain more prestige points, they can give more votes, peaking at say 10.

Let 10 Power Potes = 1 Prestige Point ( to balance everything)

To avoid trolls and griefers who would give 'dislike' votes to everyone, make it such that only people who you have friended can vote for you.

Is this project open? I want to help.
Comment by Nick Heyming on May 16, 2010 at 7:30am
Wow Samiran, great suggestions. What about anonymity of ratings? Maybe only positive or neutral ratings would have the option to be anonymous, while negative ratings would require you publishing your identity.

Or maybe making its so that you had to be collaborating on a project to give it negative feedback, but anyone could give projects positive feedback. That way the best projects would be able to get accolades, but participants on projects could give honest feedback... still thinking this one through all the way.

Fascinating idea though, really like the concept. What about different platforms? I guess since its web based windows, mac, and linux would all work with it? For some reason it seems an awful lot like the open source unix projects, but thats not my area of expertise...
Comment by Samiran Roy on May 16, 2010 at 7:48am
" What about anonymity of ratings? Maybe only positive or neutral ratings would have the option to be anonymous, while negative ratings would require you publishing your identity.

Or maybe making its so that you had to be collaborating on a project to give it negative feedback, but anyone could give projects positive feedback. That way the best projects would be able to get accolades, but participants on projects could give honest feedback..."

I think all ratings should be kept anonymous because your 'friends' will be voting for you.I prefer this because people who would spiral into the negative would do so because of their own wrong choices, they won't be able to blame the system.

This will also prevent people from sending mass friend requests to increase their vote bank.

This is the only way I could think of to keep the system stable.

And like I said, the projects are divided into types.

Open projects: Everyone can give feedback
Moderated and Secret projects:You need to be 'accepted' to give feed back.

I don't think honest feedback/criticism would be a bad thing if it points out the weaknesses of the project, it deserves 'likes'.

And again, only your 'friends' would be voting for you, so you don't have to worry about getting negative PP for your honest opinion unless you are a troll.
Comment by Samiran Roy on May 16, 2010 at 7:50am
*Only your 'friends' would be voting you, not for you,,
Comment by Samiran Roy on May 16, 2010 at 7:53am
There is one problem though. You can use multiple accounts to quickly raise yourself up the ladder.
Comment by Samiran Roy on May 16, 2010 at 8:30am
Clarification.(It was getting a bit confusing)

Anyone can give power votes to Blog posts. The number will be decided by your PP. You can't power vote yourself.

Only your friends can give Prestige Points by liking/unlinking your blog posts and comments. You cant like/unlike your own stuff.
Comment by Omri or something on May 16, 2010 at 8:39am
Great idea, loved the way you thought it through.

There is a problem, in my mind, on the funding front. adds are a good way to make money when there is a lot of new traffic. this site would have the same people coming in over and over again. that generates less add dollars. plus, people on the network would only be able to put adds up on their project, which gets even less people on it than, say, than main page. finally, if you give them adds to make money off, that is at the expense of your add dollars.

I think it would be a good idea to prompt people to invest their own money in their projects. I would do it in 3 steps:
1. firstly, if you are a new starter, the site will help you build up your idea. say you have a business model creating tool or suggestion, you help them collaborate and find kinks. this wh*** part should be free.
2. when they have a well thought out idea, they can put a little of their own money in to start it off (this is of course project specific). this is essential because no investor of any kind takes people seriously if they don't invest in themselves actual cash.
3. finding investors. it would be great to create a tool to help people find investment. maybe you can have a contest to choose between many projects and invest 1000$ for the winner (where oh where did I get that idea). or you could create a place to post that gets venture capital to look at it.

anyway, those are my ideas, off the top of my head. I like this project and would love to see it succeed.
Comment by ob1 on May 16, 2010 at 10:03am
I love this, Wintermute! And fine Samiran's suggestions very well thought! =)
I want to know more about this idea, please keep us posted with any progress. I'm not sure I have any skill I can help you with, but I want to understand it better and in case try to help you the way I can. Thank you! ^___^


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