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The Paradox of Feminism
One of the issues I think nobody has touched yet is what are we referring to when
we say women's empowerment.
From one perspective, the western one, what it means is that women
should have all the apparent freedoms of men.
What we ended up with after the "feminist revolution" is
both parents working to meet the household's needs,
when before it in the 50's one wage earner would suffice,
Jeez, that's Fantastic!!, we have achieved working the double for the same income!!
And now we don't even have to raise our children,
because we simply don't have time for that.
In hindsight, I can see how wanting the same freedoms of slaves,
got us to be slaves for half the price,
double the slaves supply, and the slave price gets to be half.
It's time for Humanism, ladies and gentlemen.
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Comment by Ursula Kochanowsky on April 12, 2010 at 7:04pm
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I will give you a personal example about why you are wrong.
I run my own business. I am only in business because a larger corporation gave this business to my dad who in turn set me up. The corporation could not make this job I have, profitable. It would take too much time in research and development before the job would be ready to mass produce. I make a good living on a niche product that demands a high price. And my dad, wouldn't have taken then if he couldn't financially prove that this would return a good amount.
How much do you know about labor? How much do you know about skill? How much do you know about business? How much do you know about school?
I have this job because the creator of the product is willing to pay me a more then generous wage. But we've already outsourced the making of the boards to china..because even at their cost and they do a much much better higher quality job at populating circuit boards then I can..it saves me time to achieve more throughput on what i'm good at.
But once this product becomes sufficiently developed, there is a very real chance he will take it back to that giant corporation that passed the work to my dad and they will do it for even less expensive. And they only pay their workers about 11 an hour.
Deal with it.
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Comment by Wintermute on April 12, 2010 at 7:32pm
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@ Michael Texeira-- I work as a designer, you are currently studying massage therapy, both worthy fields but without an economic system that rewards our services with money to buy food we would starve, unless you know that much more then me about growing your own grains and raising your own livestock.
I understand what you are all saying, but to play devils advocate, you have to be a part of one system or another. You are either working for money, or working for raw resources. I choose to exist in a system were I don't have to work 1:1 labor to food. In America all labor is not equal. The paper pushers are earning more because their labor is valued more. I would (in my devil's advocating voice) say that the paper pushes do add something to the system, people need to be organized. Want a good example look at what happened to the Russian agricultural system when Stalin took over. Pre-Stalin their was a class of managers who organized hundreds of farmers but never tilled an inch of soil themselves. Stalin saw this system as anti communistic and removed this "upper class". However because those people knew how to best use the land the agricultural output dropped so low that many people starved.
I know that in America their is no short supply of counter examples--when CEOs have cooked the books and took every penny they could from the company. However for every one of those types their are a hundred others that work hard everyday and provide jobs for many other people.
Sarah I do approve of the message of your post. Don't hate the player hate the game, and your frustration is definitely aimed at the right place.
Great discussion so far everyone. Interested to see what you all have to say to this ^
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Comment by Yusuf moh'd adarbeh on April 12, 2010 at 7:41pm
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I want to say sth about the names and the hidden implications about the characters in the story Evoke. I think this doesn't happen except in the writer's mind. Women in these countries are not living in worse conditions than those in his society. We can discuss this issue without referring to people living Afghanistan & Gaza. Women in these countries are dehumilated by occupation not by kidnapping. We 'd better find ways to free them from the intruders' tyranny, and then try to free them from the males control.
Coming back to the main issue, I agree with you that men and women are working together to get the least amount of supply for their children who find no time to sit with their parents who both come back very tired of working 8 hours a day. We should set women free from those who acc**mulate their wealth to count digits in the banks.
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Comment by Mary Sexton on April 12, 2010 at 7:43pm
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Whether or not it was intended for the "system" to get two workers for the price of one, it seems that it got that for the most part.
"Two Income Trap" is a very interesting book that discusses in great detail.
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Comment by A.V.Koshy on April 12, 2010 at 7:48pm
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But we've already outsourced the making of the boards to china..because even at their cost and they do a much much better higher quality job at populating circuit boards then I can..it saves me time to achieve more throughput on what i'm good at.
remarks like this always interest me
the faceless place called china!
i mean on the one had talk of how women today are better off as proudly asserted by ursula and then a crack in the discourse- we outsource to china - who does the boards there- men or women - are they hapy to be part of this world of serving someone elsewhere and are thye paid well?
women's empowerment across the board - forgive the pun
i hope my drift is not obscure
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on a side note am I the only one who can't powervote this evidence?
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BTW..I just finished reading a book called "the value of nothing" http://rajpatel.org/2009/10/27/the-value-of-nothing/ It makes the point that we should perhaps realize that there are some things which should be kept in commons and others we should learn how to value properly. And in keeping commons we should provide for the continuing function of the financial system.
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wintermute i cant power vote on any of sarah's stuff
that's pretty weird dont you think
can we complain to the admins about it
ursula weshould scrap money im all for it
also the monetary and financial system
also all banks
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my favourite women are mata hari, lady godiva, frida kahlo, rosa luxembourg and tina modotti -especially tina modotti -- the average experience of a woman drags her down in the west from being or becoming people like that
so i agree with sarah
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Comment by Sarah Shaw Tatoun on April 12, 2010 at 8:19pm
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It's true that as women have joined the workforce it's become the new 'norm' for middle-class families to have two incomes. (Working class women have always worked, as do the poor.) Elizabeth Warren has done some of the best research on the subject. You can hear one of her best lectures here: The Coming Collapse of the Middle Class.
On the other hand, the the women's movement gave a lot of women AND men the opportunity to do what they wanted to do and not just what society told them was their proper role as a man or woman. My mother was a bright, college-educated woman in her late 30's when the women's movement arrived. Before then it would have been unthinkable for her to go back to university and get her Ph.D.-- and most universities would have made it impossible. As an 11 year old, I watched her go from a near clinical depression to overflowing with happiness. I still think it's the best gift that any parent can give to a child-- to let them see what it looks like to be an adult doing what you love. To my father's great credit he supported her all the way. Unfortunately, that often wasn't the case.
Personally, I've always thought it was the rise in divorce that convinced many women to go back to work from the 70's on. I think any woman who's watched her mother struggle to find work after long years of being a housewife has probably vowed never to let herself be in that position.
There were still plenty of restrictions on women when I was growing up-- women couldn't be astronauts, nearly all law schools had a strict quota for women-- generally 25%. There were no women in high positions in any except a few family businesses, employers were reluctant to hire us because we might be going to get married or have children.
The restrictions were just as tough-- or maybe tougher, on men. It's never been easy for artists and writers or men who love something else non-traditional and badly paid -- but back then the societal pressure brought to bear on men who couldn't or wouldn't play the traditional 'bread-winner' role is hard for younger people to imagine.
Finally, while it's true that families where both the husbands and wives work have become the 'norm' there isn't any great stigma against doing otherwise. Most middle class professionals earn enough money that they could-- if they learned to live as modestly as my parents did-- afford to have one parent home with the children. Many do. And in many European countries it's quite normal for one or both parents to work part time while the kids are young. In the Czech Republic paid leave after childbirth extends to up to three years, Most other European countries have long maternal leaves. And in Scandinavia the early childhood education is so good that people put their children in nursery schools whether they work or not-- since the children who have been to them are found to have better social skills than those that stay home with a parent.
My conclusion is that, thanks in part to Feminism, if American women want to go back to the home, they can. That so many find it unthinkable to give up the two-car, mcmansion lifestyle in order to do so is more the fault of a consumer culture than women having been given the power to choose the profession that suits them best.
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