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A crash course in changing the world.
Episode 1 CODE PHRASE: "The earth moves at different speeds depending on who you are.”
It's an old Nigerian proverb: "The earth moves at different speeds depending on who you are.”
What do you think this code phrase means to the Evoke network?
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Permalink Reply by devan gaudon on
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To me this phrase means that if you have money, you can control many aspects of your life, such as food supplies and have total power in extreme situations.
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Permalink Reply by Rick van der Pluijm on
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I think it means that our personality and what we do influence how we experience the world. An example is that some people are more fast-paced, while others are more relaxed. Another example is that time seems to pass quicker when you're having fun or when you're busy/moving.
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Permalink Reply by Niraj Prasad Koirala on
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I think `Earth` in this proverb means time and time of doing certain things by someone depends upon the level of understanding,he/she possess.For example one may be less intelligent than others.And the former does more progress faster than the others.But the later reaches the same progress after certain time if he continues practice.For example the developing countries like U.S.A and U.K. because the level of understanding in the peoples from these countries were quite higher from lomg time ago.For them that time was crucial for moving towards the development.While talking about India and China,which were not developed previously,but are moving to be a developed countries nowadays.It is because the level of understanding the peoples in these countries is increased over these long periods of time.Now the govenments of these countries are trying to provide their citizen,best facilities in their own land.It is because of their continuous efforts over a period of time led by the increase in the level of understanding.So it means time comes to everyone of being best if continuous practice is done.
Evoke members are those who are wanting to give ideas for changing the world.If we practice harfly then even a weak member from a developing nation can give better ifeas for eradicating the global problems.
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Great reply, Seneca had genius thoughts.
George Cruz III said:I believe if you are a motivated individual with a desire and passion to make a difference in life your experiences make you more receptive to time and its events than not being motivated and living life by the day. Like Seneca Stated on the shortness of life “Life Is Long If You Know How To Use It”
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Permalink Reply by Kevin Gaudette on
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RE: Nigerian proverb...consider the speed of its population growth
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Nigeria
Population and Population Projections
The United Nations estimates that the population in 2005 was at 141 million, and predicted that it would reach 289 million by 2050.[2] Nigeria has just recently undergone the start of a population explosion due to higher fertility rates.The United States Census Bureau projects that population of Nigeria will reach 264 million by 2050. Nigeria will then be the 8th most populous country in the world.[3]
RE: Kissinger/Nigeria etc./famine connections
Consider Kissinger-authored NSSM, declassified on February 8, 2007.
http://www.pop.org/1999113080/nssm-200-part-one-analytical-section
NSSM 200 similarly concluded that the United States was threatened by population growth in the former colonial sector. It paid special attention to 13 “key countries” in which the United States had a “special political and strategic interest”: India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Indonesia, Thailand, the Philippines, Turkey, Nigeria, Egypt, Ethiopia, Mexico, Brazil, and Colombia. It claimed that population growth in those states was especially worrisome, since it would quickly increase their relative political, economic, and military strength.
For example, Nigeria: “Already the most populous country on the continent, with an estimated 55 million people in 1970, Nigeria’s population by the end of this century is projected to number 135 million. This suggests a growing political and strategic role for Nigeria, at least in Africa.” Or Brazil: “Brazil clearly dominated the continent demographically.” The study warned of a “growing power status for Brazil in Latin America and on the world scene over the next 25 years.”
Kissinger also predicted a return of famines that could make exclusive reliance on birth control programs unnecessary. “Rapid population growth and lagging food production in developing countries, together with the sharp deterioration in the global food situation in 1972 and 1973, have raised serious concerns about the ability of the world to feed itself adequately over the next quarter of century and beyond,” he reported.
The cause of that coming food deficit was not natural, however, but was a result of western financial policy: “Capital investments for irrigation and infrastucture and the organization requirements for continuous improvements in agricultural yields may be beyond the financial and administrative capacity of many LDCs. For some of the areas under heaviest population pressure, there is little or no prospect for foreign exchange earnings to cover constantly increasingly imports of food.”
“It is questionable,” Kissinger gloated, “whether aid donor countries will be prepared to provide the sort of massive food aid called for by the import projections on a long-term continuing basis.” Consequently, “large-scale famine of a kind not experienced for several decades—a kind the world thought had been permanently banished,” was foreseeable—famine, which has indeed come to pass.
Such Machiavellian perspectives are not new.
http://econ161.berkeley.edu/movable_type/archives/000567.html
U.S. State Department Policy Planning Study #23, 1948, headed by George F. Kennan, concluded, “We have about 50 percent of the world’s wealth, but only 6.3% of its population. In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security. To do so we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and daydreaming and our attention will have to be concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives. We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford today the luxury of altruism and world benefaction. We should cease to talk about vague and unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of the living standards and democratization. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better.”14
RE: Robert J. Lewis post and the quote from Trilateral Commission/Kissinger...about the shift of power from West to East...and the downsizing of the West's middle cla****...outsourcing jobs for MNC's bottom line economics, as MNCs prosper and national/local govts. budgets shrink due to tax-anemia
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Kissinger_Associates%2C_Inc.
Kissinger Associates, December 2, 2002. "Kissinger is the founder and chairman of the consulting firm Kissinger Associates Inc. He has represented some of the world's most powerful multinational corporations, including many with interests in US foreign policy. The Bush administration has not asked Kissinger to disclose the names of his clients, but they are believed to include ExxonMobil, Arco, American Express and Coca-Cola."
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Permalink Reply by Thom on
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I wonder if the context of this website, the presumed purpose, is perhaps influencing people's thoughts on this. Many people have suggested it's about "time" and moving faster or slower, or the amount that gets done. Many others have suggested it's about perspective, about how we all see the world from a different viewpoint. Some have even related money and success to this. In a way, isn't going out and proactively making the world a better place what it means to change the world? There is a sense of urgency...
"The earth moves at different speeds depending on who you are."
I really don't know what is behind this proverb, and I think most everyone has admittedly they were expressing what they believed, too, or shared the same thoughts as another. It seems like a few have come close to what I have been thinking, quite a bit so. Let me know if I missed something, but I don't think anyone has covered all the points that go through my mind when I turn this over.
I start thinking about how each person learns different things at different times, though this contrasts with our school systems that try to ensure everyone learn the same things at the same time. The schools don't work, though, as the grading systems reveal that everybody doesn't learn everything at the same time. OTOH, homeschooling encourages teaching with the moment and adding to the person's current interest, instead of insisting they suddenly become interested in a topic and then just as suddenly stop after an hour.
I also think about how the mayor of Tokyo had to make the call, had to ask for help. The agents didn't go out and try to make things happen on their own without being asked; they waited for the call, waited for the interest to develop. To me, this sounds very appropriate since it fits in with many tips from Exhibit A of LEARN1 from the the first mission.
There have been times in my life I realize something new because of a particular event, like an epiphany. Upon self-reflection I recall a few earlier times in my life that similar events had occurred, and that I might just as easily became aware back then at one of those other moments. I'll even recall considering it, perhaps at the most recent prior event, but rejecting the idea at that prior time as not approachable.
I can't help but think the proverb has something to do with acknowledging moments of receptiveness. A person learns most readily when they are interested and with a purpose, like figuring out statistics (math) for their favorite baseball player. The mayor of Tokyo is finally open to new ideas and ready to cooperate in any way possible. Though this might also be argued as being in a desperate situation, nonetheless, this also gave the city a chance to work things out for themselves beforehand, and to experience what wasn't working so they could learn from that, too. Personally, I came to understand I really couldn't have accepted the concepts and ideas any sooner than I had, for I wasn't ready for them yet. Those previous time-points of introduction weren't wasted, they were moments of preparation in advance, smoothing a transition while I was busy experiencing something else that apparently conflicted with shifting right away for the time being.
I think this idea of ensuring receptiveness is very important for an agent of evoking. In the story so far, the agents themselves weren't busy with other EVOKE assignments. They were living their lives, obtaining experiences in their own ways, and even following up on their own interests, e.g. reading Citizen X articles, or managing a honey or pollination business. However, they were ready to jump in and investigate, and had some ideas already to consider, hence demonstrating their own receptiveness to respond.
Though, there are several scenes of them going on site and evaluating the circ**stances, so they weren't blindly applying their "great" idea without at least some onsite corroboration of feasibility (I hope). Also note that Alchemy didn't call the mayor until after the agents had gone onsite, and hence the information he gave to the mayor about what would happen would have been based on feedback from the agents' investigation and initial implementation.
So, I don't really believe being an agent is about coming up with ideas for applying them haphazardly in the name of bettering other people's lives. People have to be open and interested in the change, it has to be their change, they have to want it. Considering our way of life is fraught with problems that many other cultures don't have, it would be presumptuous, if not down right disrespectful of their culture, to declare people as backward or not advanced.
I don't think this means we have to wait around, that we can't do some investigating on our own. On the contrary, it's part of learning more and we might get caught up in a sudden inspiration. The agents in the story had apparently been keeping up with the situation to some degree, perhaps through casual inference in their spare time.
I do believe we should be wary of wielding a ready-made solution and looking for its problem to hack on, as implied by Exhibit A of the first mission. There's an old saying about "seek and ye shall find" and I've noticed it's quite true. Situations will seem to exist where they don't, like when we might expect to be insulted by someone but they had no such intention, and we don't believe them because we "know" them or their "type". Such seeking prevents us from seeing what's really happening.
So, I guess I don't perceive the agents as being better than the people they are helping, or the people as being slackers. I think people asking for help did what they could based on their own capabilities and their mindsets along the way. Maybe at some other time under different conditions they could have worked it out for themselves, maybe in a parallel universe, but in this moment they've asked for help. It's time to understand where they are at, what they've tried, and what will fit in with their lives so they can recover their sustainability once again, or perhaps a self-obsolescent solution that dissolves the problem with it.
"The earth moves at different speeds depending on who you are."
Hmm, it could also be a bit fateful, suggesting the world is ready for us when we are ready for it, that it moves with us, and us with it. That who you are is always changing, and as you change, the world changes with you. (Isn't that how our perceptions work?) Hence, the earth seems to adjust depending on who you are at that moment, and different opportunities arise since you have different receptiveness. Oh, and that this happens for your neighbor, too, so that's what they are experiencing as well.
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Permalink Reply by NANGAR SOOMRO on
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To my mind, The Nigerian Proverb has variety of explanations as
" Thoughts becomes Things" ,
" What ever we can conceive and believe we can achieve"
"How our inner is we see outer as same"
So " The earth moves at different speed depending who you are" is simply World is Best place to Live if our attitude towards it is positive and if we think that our little contributions can make big difference.
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Permalink Reply by Maya Van Leemput on
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The earth evidently moves at different speeds depending on what you are doing, everybody recognises that feeling. What you are doing and who you are touch closely.
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Permalink Reply by chris arkenberg on
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History does not proceed along a single timeline but, rather, marches at different paces for different cultures. An examples is the path pf industrialism that many of the western and northern countries embarked upon two hundred years ago. Yet, much of the world is only just beginning to industrialize, while many parts of the world still struggle for basic necessities. Thus, the Earth has moved quickly for a Londoner but perhaps much more slowly for those in the Third World.
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The difference between how long it takes an expensive doc**ent sent from a lucrative London office to reach another lucrative office at the other side of the world and how long it takes life saving medicine to get from the capital to the regions in Mali.
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Permalink Reply by Mgidi N. Veronica on
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I think it means that... the moving of the earth is like its improvement, its development and... the spped it moves in is not automatic or constant, it depends on individuals or group of people. One's life is one's world, the pace in which one's life improves is on one's own hands.
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i definitely agree with Chelsea and i think that it also depends on the context of the person you know like where thwee person is based and the current situation of the place they are in.
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