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A crash course in changing the world.
A New Market Economy
Here's an idea that will never be realized as long as there are people who have the power to take more than belongs to them and deprive others of what they need.
Lets change the system so that housing costs a direct percentage of your income. If you make 10,000 dollars, then yearly you pay 1000 dollars rent. If you make 10,000,000 dollars a year, then yearly you pay 1,000,000 dollars rent. Lets do the same for food. 10% for food, 10% for rent, 10% for health care, etc.
Obviously, there's a million reasons it won't work. It discourages working hard. In this system, wh*** businesses might collapse from the sheer fact that no one would ever do that work when some other form of work might still net them all their needs.
But, what if...just what if. What if we agreed as a global species to support every single one of ourselves, regardless of how little or much they work? What if we created a system in which there was no incentive to spend a lot of time and energy doing something you hate so that you can do something you love "later". For most, this later never comes. They stay in the job they hate, afraid to leave it because it could be worse.
But, what if we agreed as a global species that things could also get better? What if we created a system where each person was ultimately free to pursue their own vision of what it getting better would look like? Where, instead of relying on the vision of those who've been blinded by greed and money, we eliminate the power behind the money.
What if we had the income records of each and every person in the world, and when someone came to buy from you, you could see how much to charge them on the basis of how much they have to pay with? Mr. Gates, that bottle of Orange Juice will be 10,000,000 dollars. (After all, Gates didn't generate that money from nothing, but from the time and energy of millions of people...why not give it back...Windows is crap anyway) Thanks. Have a great day. Well, now you just made 10,000,000 dollars cause B. Gates was thirsty. Next time you go to get a meal at a restaurant..."that will be 10,000 dollars"...until suddenly, within short time...we realize that the money is distributed, and the money becomes meaningless.
Maybe it could happen.
Lets change the system so that housing costs a direct percentage of your income. If you make 10,000 dollars, then yearly you pay 1000 dollars rent. If you make 10,000,000 dollars a year, then yearly you pay 1,000,000 dollars rent. Lets do the same for food. 10% for food, 10% for rent, 10% for health care, etc.
Obviously, there's a million reasons it won't work. It discourages working hard. In this system, wh*** businesses might collapse from the sheer fact that no one would ever do that work when some other form of work might still net them all their needs.
But, what if...just what if. What if we agreed as a global species to support every single one of ourselves, regardless of how little or much they work? What if we created a system in which there was no incentive to spend a lot of time and energy doing something you hate so that you can do something you love "later". For most, this later never comes. They stay in the job they hate, afraid to leave it because it could be worse.
But, what if we agreed as a global species that things could also get better? What if we created a system where each person was ultimately free to pursue their own vision of what it getting better would look like? Where, instead of relying on the vision of those who've been blinded by greed and money, we eliminate the power behind the money.
What if we had the income records of each and every person in the world, and when someone came to buy from you, you could see how much to charge them on the basis of how much they have to pay with? Mr. Gates, that bottle of Orange Juice will be 10,000,000 dollars. (After all, Gates didn't generate that money from nothing, but from the time and energy of millions of people...why not give it back...Windows is crap anyway) Thanks. Have a great day. Well, now you just made 10,000,000 dollars cause B. Gates was thirsty. Next time you go to get a meal at a restaurant..."that will be 10,000 dollars"...until suddenly, within short time...we realize that the money is distributed, and the money becomes meaningless.
Maybe it could happen.
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Comment by Turil Cronburg on April 12, 2010 at 6:41pm
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It does take a lot of creativity to work with reality doesn't it? :-)
You start out by saying "Here's an idea that will never be realized as long as there are people who have the power to take more than belongs to them and deprive others of what they need." And the reality is that this will never,ever, happen, given the need for people to be able to learn. It would be like expecting there to be nothing but light in the world, and no shadows. Little kids of all species have to push things too far so that they learn the boundaries of the world. And as those kids grow up, especially if they are members of the higher intelligent, long-term-planning, types of species, the boundaries and ways they push just get more complex, but the need to push them remains.
And beyond learning where the boundaries are, creation always requires at least some destruction. Imagine a baby crying in the middle of the night, waking up her parents, because she needs her diaper to be changed. This deprives the parents of much needed sleep, but it's necessary for the growth of the child, and the world, nonetheless. Now you could argue that the parent's resources "belong" to the child, whereas that tree that I cut down to build my small home definitely doesn't belong to me because there are other kinds of people such as squirrels, bugs, fungi, and birds who'd already made it their home in it, yet are you to say that I shouldn't cut down the tree?
And finally, why continue to promote the idea that humans aren't internally motivated to work for the benefit of their families, communities, and world, when you've seen the evidence against this myth in so many varying ways?
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Comment by Michael Texeira on April 12, 2010 at 6:52pm
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"why continue to promote the idea that humans aren't internally motivated to work for the benefit of their families, communities, and world"
I've seen evidence on both sides. I myself am evidence of this on both sides. Humans are internally motivated to work for the benefit of all. But the degrees vary. For some, their individual self is all. For others, all sentient beings are all.
I'll be honest. This post just came out of me. I understand what Experiment Earth is about, and really, gauging by my actions rather than the spontaneous manifestation of words coming from my mind, I am not really all that bothered about the chaos, and depravity that represents the learning curve. Sometimes I get frustrated, mostly because I forget how many times I've done this, and been here, and how long it has taken me to learn what I have. Compassion slips from time to time. This is what arises. In some ways, I prefer to air this out. This is as much the content of my mind as the other. Since I cannot always forgive humanity for its atrocities, I practice forgiving myself for slipping from forgiveness. I do know...everyone is doing the best they can with what they've got. I know the theory backwards, and have seen the application more times than could be counted, but the mind rebels. I think perhaps it would be beneficial for me to relax a bit between school and the computer.
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Well, you can't take good care of others until you are healthy, otherwise you're going to just be making crap. :-) So no matter what work you do, it's always for the benefit of all.
And thanks for talking about where the post came from, and for airing out out for us! I know how it is to feel frustrated and lash out and blame others for doing what they need to do. :-) Understanding comes slowly, and until then, we don't always recognize the value in the way things are, with all the ups and downs and wobbles...
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Comment by Jeremy Laird Hogg on May 3, 2010 at 6:49am
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yeesh. I think I can see why this was his last post =( that comes out horribly to the reader there Turil!
@texeira - thought provoking. +1 spark. Check out this blog here if you come back - it's about money as incentive vs equal distribution :
http://www.urgentevoke.com/profiles/blogs/a-challenging-philosophy-of
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Jeremy, what you get out of what people say has just as much to do with what you're looking to get as it has to do with what they are offering.
I was offering Michael appreciation of his courage, and some connection in the way of understanding his position of being frustrated. To me, gratitude and connection, are two of the best things one can be offered in this world.
And I can see that you, not being Michael, might have missed the gratitude and connection in my words, as you might have been looking for something else, and because I wasn't expressing gratitude and connection with you at the time.
But, all in all, misunderstanding is the main problem in human relationships, isn't it? That confusion that we talked about in your vices poll... Not being clear about other people's intent can lead to all kinds of suffering.
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I didn't comment on your intent. You should appreciate having your words criticized from an outside vantage, instead of assuming they have the effect you intend. For, there often is a breakdown between aim and expression. I'm letting you know - so you can think about it for future writing, not so you can dismiss it out of hand - that you post came across as patronizing.
You accused him of making crap for admitting weakness ("you can't take good care of others until you are healthy, otherwise you're going to just be making crap") and lashing out and blaming others. He did well to present himself as imperfect, and he wasn't lashing out!
From what I can see, you are insulating yourself from criticism. You post talks past what I said - all it does is state what I great job you did and what must have been going on in mind to make such a blunder as to criticize!
Consider turning your own advise inward: "what you get out of what people say has just as much to do with what you're looking to get as it has to do with what they are offering."
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I'm not dismissing your comment, I'm replying to it with more information, so that you can understand my intent better. :-) I do appreciate your comment, as it gives me the opportunity to clarify! Thanks!
As for how I come across, I have discovered that it's not especially important to spend time on being everything to everyone. It's impossible to please everyone, and so I've made it my goal to offer my best to the one I'm presently with. Communication is a personal thing, and I realize that one person's interpretation of things can be completely opposite of another's interpretation. Which is why you can see my post in a very negative light, while I and it seems Michael's own interpretation in a far more positive and loving light.
And, as with all criticism, one has to put it into perspective, so that one can decide if it's something that needs attention because the problem interferes with one's ultimate goals, or if it's something that is less crucial. And in this case, my highest goals are offering a viewpoint that might not be otherwise obvious to people, so that they have the option to see things more fully and multidimentionally. It sounds like your own goal is the same, which is why you are offering me your own personal views of my offers. :-)
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"Which is why you can see my post in a very negative light, while I and it seems Michael's own interpretation in a far more positive and loving light."
This is fabrication and passive aggression. It's not legit.
I don't mind a difference of perspective - I relish it. When it is validating-ly done. This isn't. out.
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If you want, you can offer me some examples of some forms of communication that you do believe are legit and validatingly done, so that I might be able to use it as a role model of what to aim for, as a way to be more effective in talking to you. But only if you think I'm worth investing more of your time and energy in.
Either way, thanks for offering me your opinions, even if you think my appreciation isn't genuine. I can guarantee you that if I didn't value this conversation, and interacting with you, I wouldn't have invested myself in it. And I'm guessing that you have a similar line of thinking. Conflict and challenging discussions are probably as valuable to you as to me. But if not, I apologize.
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