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so this wh*** thing got started with this post here. you should check it out. lots of good back and forth going on there.

and i was going to talk about this anyways, but i've been holding off, because, well, its a big button issue....

cultural sensitivity is highly over rated.


stay with me here

a culture is just a collection of practices. that somehow got all glommed together and now its, i dunno, history and people and a link with something....

some of these cultural practices are not good

in some places in africa, they still practice the cutting of the rose. that's where they remove a womans clitoris when she comes of age. do i have your attention now?

in some cultures, they stone a wh*** family if a 30 yr olf man rapes a 12 yr old girl. they stone the little girl and her family.

in the americas, we spend more money on subsidizing the corn industry than we spend on foreign aid. Why? cause he's a farmer and his dad was a farmer and his dad before him ever since we came and killed the native people. it's culturally significant.

well, after that (and there is more, you know there is more), y'know, maybe i am not so concerned about culture all the time. not all of it at least. i'm not saying lets have a mcdonalds on every corner. i'm saying lets stop killing people, lets stop hurting and mutilating people, lets stop keeping people sick because some religious leader says so

enough already. it makes me sick. good people doing nothing, hiding behind a flimsy blood soaked curtain of 'cultural sensitivity'!

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Comment by Raymond M. Kristiansen on March 12, 2010 at 8:56pm
lets discuss what can be done about it.

can we agree that education is key? :)

so - what steps do we need to take in order to educate? are there ways we can support those 'moderate forces' who try to combat for instance female circ**cision?
Comment by turtle1 on March 12, 2010 at 9:14pm
try reading Infidel by Aayan Hirsi Ali for some insight into this topic
Comment by Raymond M. Kristiansen on March 12, 2010 at 9:19pm
Aayan Hirsi Ali denounces (muslim) religion. The point is not to denounce religion, but to make religion better at respecting human rights.

We can only do that by listening to the moderates who Do belong to that religion.

We can't solve religious issues by listening to atheists, in my opinion. (As much as I personally think quite a few atheists have some really good points)
Comment by Raymond M. Kristiansen on March 12, 2010 at 9:24pm
well, soon someone will post about israel vs. palestine, or abu ghraib, or Chavez, or come with statements like "USA is the biggest threat to world peace", and then we have it.

emotionalism instead of innovation.

we can do better than that, guys
Comment by glim on March 12, 2010 at 9:34pm
interesting. i totally agree with Panamericana here. health care, food security these are definitely important issues. i would add personal safety to that list as well though.

i'm intrigued that everyone has latched on to one particular issue in my post. it wasn't the only thing i was talking about. and yes, education is most definitely the key in all things discussed here.

@Raymond - Carl Sagan states that faith is the belief in the absence of evidence. you are correct, us atheists can't nessecarily fix religious issues. but if you look at my examples, religion seems to sometimes be an issue. if we educate a way through these issues, the thing that will go away sometimes, is centuries of religious belief...

but thats not the point. the question is, what do we do in the face of overwhelming cultural habits that are damaging to people and the planet?
Comment by Comelia Tang on March 12, 2010 at 9:36pm
@Raymond Yes, educating the people is the key. I don't know how, honestly. Maybe, focus on the younger generations since these kids will be the future leaders who will be capable of changes in their own community. It is not an instant solution to the issue, but I believe it will change, but gradually. And diverting from the topic, I really do not want to see evoke turning into a platform for political debates, since we are here to focus on improving the needs of communities and the people, not to compete or take sides.
Comment by glim on March 12, 2010 at 9:42pm
WOW! thank you raymond cornelia and michelle. you guys have really moved the conversation into a good place. you guys are awesome!

the younger generation, sounds like a great place to start. i think this would be a liver in type of situation. you would need to be there for them. until the older entrenched generation loses power, these young thought innovators would be in danger of being silenced .

Does anyone have any good info about protecting the new generation?
Comment by turtle1 on March 12, 2010 at 9:56pm
@ Cornelia good point
Comment by Comelia Tang on March 12, 2010 at 10:15pm
@glim hmmm....Empowering them? Empowering them with the knowledge that they have choices and rights. I don't know....Sometimes I think there's only so much we could do for these developing societies, they often rely on the west to aid them, but there is only so much we can intervene and they need to learn to stand on their own 2 feet, no one could help them if they don't help themselves. But of course, I still have great hopes for Humanity!

@Panamericana saw the video...Hmmm very interesting points made, kind of remind me of the movie Avatar.
Comment by Linda Holt on March 12, 2010 at 10:39pm
we all have a book of law within ourselves that we make agreements everyday of who we are, what we are allowed to think, what we shoud look like .. etc. .all derived from this Rolodex of agreements in our own personal book of law

Absolutely perfect - and we are defined by our agreements, and our world view is seen through the blinders of those agreements. When we (agents) change the conversation to possibility - where the gifts of diverse cultures are recognized over the deficiencies, then transformation will occur.

As Raymond pointed out -


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