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Of the 33 secrets, I think this one, "Try living for a week on $2 a day", may hold the very secret to our survival as a species.

Contemplating . . .

. . . are there any creatures other than Human's who depend upon a monetary system to acquire their most basic survival needs such as food and shelter?

. . . is this unique to us?

. . . is currency exchange an evolution or a devolution in the behavior of living organisms?



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Comment by Crystal Bellar on March 4, 2010 at 3:42pm
These are some really deep questions. Very thought provoking.
Comment by Richard Smyth on March 7, 2010 at 2:47am
Great questions! We often find that, the more we learn about the natural world, we are not as unique as we think we are....
Comment by nomadHAR on April 11, 2010 at 8:49pm
in the natural world, there are trades and give-and-take. early bartering systems were similar to this. however, our current money system has no basis in anything useful; indeed, now it has no real basis at all. it is based on a market that keeps FAILING because it is irrational and based on nothing but greed.

http://www.urgentevoke.com/profiles/blogs/the-history-of-money-and

animals and plants generally do not go for more what they need. we over-consume everything; from food to water to land to air. we give excuses for pollution and refuse to decrease it. our current lifestyle is untenable.

http://www.urgentevoke.com/profiles/blogs/reducing-energy-use-why-this
http://www.urgentevoke.com/profiles/blogs/water-conservation-and
Comment by The Garden Earth Project on April 12, 2010 at 5:57am
@nomadHAR I'm curious about this - do any other species besides humans actually trade? I don't know, and am seeking answers and examples.

I have had animals bring me presents (dead mice a fav of my cat) But I have never observed a non-human creature that has engaged in trade - I'll give you some of this, if you give me some of that.

If it is true that only humans engage in trade, then when, how, why did this begin?
And is it really working?

*goes to check out your blogs*
Comment by Sayel Cortes on April 12, 2010 at 6:19am
I can´t recall any other animal except from humans trading. Yet ecosystems are a constant interchange of energy and in such a way one specie can "trade" with another. That happens in symbiosis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbiosis), specifically in mutualism where both species get benefits from each other.

I don´t have any references to support this, but I think that by taking advantage of any "free" energy in an ecosistem (finding their own ecological niche (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_niche) and as usually population in animals/plants depends strongly on available resources they manage to get a very efficient use of all the resources.

Maybe economy can learn something from there (it some ways it does already, I wonder if we can learn more!)
Comment by nomadHAR on April 12, 2010 at 6:41pm
@Savel Cortes: ideas such as symbiosis and mutualism are exactly what i was trying to say. i also like the idea of ecological niche in society as well; it has been twisted by humans into controlling access to resources with a focus on profit instead of benefit.
Comment by The Garden Earth Project on April 13, 2010 at 1:13am
Thank you both, Savel and nomadHAR for your thoughtful and insightful comments.

I am a great advocate of modeling systems design after nature.

I like these concepts - symbiosis, mutualism, the ecological niche. How are we symbiotic with other natural systems? How are we symbiotic with each other? Is a monetary system the best way to monitor, value and track this symbiosis? If not what are our alternatives?

I don't have any firm answers - only many questions, however I have a deep instinctual sensing that simply inventing another currency, another monetary system, another product/service/technology, another form of trade is not the answer to solving the destruction of ecosystems, the human suffering that result from our badly skewed economies.

Possibly, the answer lies in abandoning valuing, measuring, exchanging of currencies - entirely. Perhaps we might find answers by examining how the rest of nature interrelates in order to obtain it's sustenance without banks, currency,markets, payments and receipts. This flies in the face of human convention however, and seems so overwhelmingly unattainable.
Comment by The Garden Earth Project on April 13, 2010 at 2:17am
Interesting question just posed to me by a none Evoke Agent.

Did money arise as a solution to distrust and lack of fairness? If so, has it only amplified the very problems it was designed to solve?

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