Organism // a social collaboration platform // Evokation

Comment by A.V.Koshy on May 16, 2010 at 6:36pm

but sometimes it helps daniel
for instance when js crashed
two new js's came up
offical version tow and another one run by a couple
naturally second one was successful but to keep it running they needed us users to click on ads and we used to
dont know what happened later
but....

Comment by Wintermute on May 16, 2010 at 6:39pm

the key to what your saying daniel is in what Nick said--attracting advertising that is mutually beneficial.

Comment by Samiran Roy on May 17, 2010 at 12:10am

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Comment by Samiran Roy on May 17, 2010 at 12:15am

Tell me if this was useful

Comment by Wintermute on May 17, 2010 at 12:35am

K, we are working to grind out a better version of this proposal, I don't know when I get a chance to look at it, I will try. Thank you very much samiran for your support.

Comment by Katherine Morrison on May 17, 2010 at 2:32am

sounds like an amazing project, I'd love to learn more as it sounds like a platform my evokation idea could use (hope to have it ready in a day or so). The only thing I'd be cautious about is the prestige system, as I don't believe competition is useful in a collaborative environment. It's important that everyone, from whatever walk of life feel they are equals with their collaborators, and a competitive environment is designed around winners and losers, those who are very prestigious and those who are not. It most likely why Evoke switched from its leader board to the leader cloud, so think carefully when implementing a system like this.

Comment by Wintermute on May 17, 2010 at 4:55am

srry that no one has replied to this yet Katherine. Your post sparked a huge debate within our little development community which is awesome so thank you.

eventually what it boils down to is that this is a very rough idea that needs a lot of testing and polish. Some solutions might be using a log scale to even the scaling so that the difference between 10000 and 1 wouldn't be as far.

Another solution is that every user can filter the visualization based on a number of different criteria including: only users with less then 50 points. Evokes cloud system is like that.

Really however, the really beautiful thing about combining visualization with user ratings is that it becomes clear very quickly which posts are interesting to the community and which are not. It creates the ability for trend finding (cool hunting) which is very useful to outside groups looking to finance projects.

Does this system mean that some ideas, and users will have less visibility, yes. I think this is a necessary part of getting good results, in the bio mimic sense of this project we need to have a little survival of the fittest.

some of these ideas we are still trying on for size, so please comment.

Comment by Gabriel Martin on May 17, 2010 at 9:18am

Also, Katherine, the points will be a way to actually help the project leaders get a good idea of what the community likes, and dislikes about the projects, since its such a rough design, one idea is that there could be a set dislikes which you can put points into, its point wouldnt be to affect the size, but simply just to give the project runners an idea of where they are missing the mark. As they solve the problems, people could remove the dislike point, but the +1 in the like section would stay. I guess the point I am trying to make is that this point system can have a real and helpfull use, and since its tool in our network, we want it to be the best, for users, project owners, and administrators.

Comment by Ursula Kochanowsky on May 17, 2010 at 2:31pm

Beware the power of stupid people in large groups.
If everyone jumped off a bridge would you?
A little bit of abrasion is good. But define a little. To one person a grain of sand is enough to silence the idea we all need and to another, nothing short of being buried in a landslide will stop them.
Modern society is set up to separate wheat from chaff. Distinguish between the public idea of "good" and the disinterest of the public, "bad". But even chaff is useful. And perhaps whats chaff in one viewpoint just needs a translation in order for society to see it for what it is.
Besides, I manipulated the points systems part way though by grabbing what was growing hysteria, making a public spectacle and then diffusing it. That was a very sucky way for me to have to get people to know my project was there and to ask for help. Partly because I hate being in the spotlight(my stress levels break down to the point where I wake up in bed screaming at night) and partly because it is a good idea thats going to die without help but I don't know how to translate it so that its publicly acceptable.
How easy is it going to be for people to find projects? One step? Two steps? A million plus drive?
How are you going to cross-index projects? Subject? Person? Skills needed? Tags?
How are you going to a**** what sorts of skills people have?
Are you going to teach each new project manager all the skills it takes to manage a project?
Including the skill to know which skills are needed to make a successful project?
Are people going to have to submit resumes?
What about the problem where people vote even if they don't like whats written just to negate the severity of their words? Pity voting?
Besides popularity begets popularity. The social mindset at work again, outstripping any rational measure of actual value. I like this http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=why%3F That answer was calculated. It wasn't social. This is a search engine that doesn't rely on public popularity in order to find useful results.
Points have a place, but they're a double edged sword.

Comment by Wintermute on May 17, 2010 at 3:35pm

Hey Ursula thanks for joining the discussion :)

let me just to the short answers to get warmed up --

to view projects one would only have to go to the site, the home page would be a dynamic visualization of every project on the network

Yes to the question about cross referencing (those systems you mentioned need to be play tested but they are some options we are considering)

Users will give each other skill points -- sounds messy but I think useful trends would develop and one large part of the tag/point/skill systems is there potential to help cool hunt.

There will be videos we will release to help users navigate the site, and suggestions about how to use the platform. I personally will be spending a lot of time on this platform trying to help people. But self organization is a point I keep come back to.

No resumes, users can if they want, but it is not a requirement, part of the idea is to kind of undermine the current system. Someone maybe very talented but not have gone to school. In our current culture, at least in america, someone like that would have a hard time getting a job--but thats lame, because really all that matters is that the person is talented

this is about trends, a bell curve shows averages and can be used given a large enough sample size to determine a trend---so a few odd votes hear and there are predictable.

I agree with most of what you are saying--but popularity has a value. I agree that generating filters that will search for the most quality projects would be useful and am open to any suggestion as to how to do that--

Also this platform will launch as invite only so the idea of stupid people will be lessoned a little bit.

I agree that the points can be a double edge, I just want to maximize the good and minimize the bad. Thanks Ursula thought provoking comments as always :)

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