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The earth is 2/3rds water, but there's a problem... most of it is full of salt. however, technology exists that removes the salt and produces clean drinking water. there is no reason for any person to go without clean water for everyday life!

check it out!

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Comment by Ternura Rojas on May 14, 2010 at 9:31am
Hello dave. the idea of harvesting fresh water from the sea is perfect. I am concerned about the actual price of this water.
There are companies which are preparing themselves for when humakind destoys the last source of fresh water and then we will have to pay for a pint of water even more $ than we are today paying for a gallon of fuel. Can you think of any mechanism to prevent this awful situation from happening? many of us at UEvoke are discussing this point.
I saw your link and below the video I found an important comment: I pass it to you so we can discuss your thoughts:
"Mmhhhhh, but where you will put all the salt that you will produce?. Again back to the water?. I don't think that want to produce just some litters of fresh water, you want to produce millions of litters!!!. So with that you could increase the water salinity, because you are just getting the water from the ocean and bringing back the salt. We are again in the same and maybe in a worst point than before. In my opinion this is not a real solution, but it is the solution for your personal economy"
I think the point of this mission is to make us understand that water security means a lot more than "we drink from all the melting snow and when we run out of snow (due to climate change) we drink the sea" what do you think?
Comment by dave martin on May 14, 2010 at 5:10pm
thanks for the comment. if you read any of my posts here on evoke, please know that i base all of my opinions around the teachings of "the zeitgeist movement". if you aren't familiar with them, here is a crash course video on what its all about i hope you have some time on your hands, cuz its over and hour and a half long.

anyhow, once you understand the concept of a reasource based economy, its obvious that "cost" is not an issue.

in reality, the world already has the ability and technology to solve all social issues, however, under our current social structure absolutely no one will solve these problems unless there is a profit to be made by it. (your example of the water purification companies is a perfect one)

i suppose that really what i could do for each one of these challenges is to answer each problem with, "end the monetary system and have the world switch to a resource based economy, as suggested by the zeitgeist movement". i say this because it is the profit motive itself that is the true reason that we have these types of problems in the world. no profit = no motive to fix the problem.

as for what to do with the salt?
table salt
salt licks for livestock
melting ice on highways in winter
could probably use salt blocks for building all sorts of structures in arid regions
there could also be hundreds of uses we haven't even imagined yet
and also, there should be no reason that it couldn't be put back in the oceans, as all water eventually returns to the ocean anyway.
Comment by Ternura Rojas on May 14, 2010 at 5:30pm
Hi dave
Thanks for minding my commnets :-)
I see we come from the same branch. I saw the video not so long ago!
I know now like thousands of people who saw the video, there are countless here in UEvoke, so: I wonder why this "end the monetary system and have the world switch to a resource based economy" zeitgeist movement haven't got any where yet! do you have any clue?

As for: "there should be no reason that NaCl couldn't be put back in the oceans, as all water eventually returns to the ocean anyway" I am not so sure, I don't have formal education in water management, I would never make such statement about something that I haven`t studied thoroughly.
I just know about many chemicals that I have studied and how much harm they make, even though they are supposed to be inert. Starting by fertilizers, shower gel......etc, etc
Comment by dave martin on May 14, 2010 at 6:24pm
the zeitgeist movement is very tactful. if you read sun tsu's, "the art of war", he suggests that you don't take on a battle that you cannot win, or are not prepared for. this is the strategy that i believe they are taking. their short term goals are just baby steps, beginning with an awareness campaign.

their ideals take some pretty serious opponents head on. ei. banks, corporations, governements, and the ma**** of people that believe they are dependent on those systems.

quote - morpheus from the matirx: "...You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inured, so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."

there is a lot of groundwork to be done before the zeitgeist movement can actually start making visible changes in society. first, people need to be aware, and be willing to "unplug". we might not even see it in our lifetime. but the ball is rolling, and that is the most important thing. i'm doing whatever i can to add a little momentum.

as for my comments about the natural water cycle, well that's just what they told us way back in junior high science class.


Comment by Ternura Rojas on May 14, 2010 at 6:51pm
Hi again Dave, I really hope your words about "our" movement come true. I don't care if I live to see it, just want it to happen!
About the water cycle, they also tought me that very same silly thing more than 20 years ago, during this time things have changed...a lot! we humans already broke this cycle, along with many other cycles :-(
They should start teaching about the way we break the cycles at HS...and maybe a little tiny bit of zeitgeist philosophy ;-)
Comment by dave martin on May 14, 2010 at 9:03pm
damn right. keep spreading the good word!

we divert the water, but it still ends up back in the ocean. sure, what we use now has sewage, soap, household chemicals, and industrial pollution, but the water ends up back in the ocean just the same. i would be willing to wager that any effect we had on the salt in the ocean would be far less harmful than anything else we put in or take out.


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