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Hey! Look at me!
"Hey! Look at me!" is the subject-line of several messages sent around the EVOKE network. Actually, what they Do write is "I made a blog post! Check it out please" or "I find X issue important, and I wrote about it". I have also myself been guilty of this kind of attention-grabbing behaviour.
Why? Well, partly, because the way the system works is that you get points for getting people to vote for Your idea, Your blog post, video or photo.
There are no 'carrots' for commenting on a lot of others' posts (well, actually, I received +50 collaboration for 'being inclusive' and paying attention to what others have published), or for giving particularly insightful comments.
So I just want us to be aware of not falling into the 'It's not invented here!' trap.
At the same time, it will be frustrating for people who 'throw ideas out there' to get no feedback, no encouragement for collaboration or further research.
For me, this is a reminder that I need to be as passionate about ideas of others as I am about my own. As eager to develop their worthy ideas as I am about my own.
It's hard, but it's a good mental practice.
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Comment by Robert Hawkins on March 7, 2010 at 5:50pm
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Great points. I find also that my reading and commenting on others ideas it really helps to challenge my own assumptions and helps me to refine my own ideas as well as identify EVOKE agents with whom you may with to collaborate on an Evokation.
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Comment by Amos Meeks on March 7, 2010 at 7:07pm
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What I hope for when I comment is an indirect award, not someone going "Oh that comment was so insightful it deserves a +1", but rather someone being impressed or interested enough by one of my comments to go and read my blog, and then give powers as they deem is appropriate there.
I think that at this point there may be a general feeling by people that their blogs are not getting enough attention, at least not by the people they think would find them interesting. I suspect that as people group up more later into the season, either through guilds, or by finding the people whose blogs you really want to follow, this feeling will gradually go away.
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Comment by Thom on March 7, 2010 at 9:08pm
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Definitely seems to be a byproduct of keeping score and having leader lists. It can be discouraging if the numbers get too high. Also, the ones who have the highest numbers may get too many requests for collaborations while everyone else gets overlooked as potential team members.
I think it might help to not keep track of the long-time numbers so upfront, that is, to restart the count every week or month. Hmm, yes, definitely week, and not month.
In that way, the lists would be a sign of current activity instead of being historical. That would be useful for discovering who's been recently contributing (practicing their powers) and not busy with perhaps some other project, or out on assignment.
So, instead of focusing so much on life-time achievement numbers, people can have a short term goal such as for being the most active user of a power on a weekly basis. It also serves as a kind of feedback of what powers someone is making most use of or being recognized for during that week (when viewed in their profile), a sort of self-reflection on what one is begin recognized for lately and how it fits in with one's overall contributions (life-time number, listed only in profile).
In that way, someone who might be a bit busy for a few days or maybe a week or two implementing their powers out in the real world before reporting back with their experiences, they can immediately see their contributions make a difference when getting recognized.
While it is possible the older material might get voted upon, the weekly count would be only of the votes on the items that have been posted in the last 7 days. The life-time achievement count is a vote on any item. In that way, as each day arrives the weekly number decreases from a day being dropped off, but can increase for whatever votes come in that day, while the life-time number goes up all the time.
The Leaders list would have only the number for the week (the most recent 7 days) and the life-time number would only be in their profile, not a listing. Their profile would also have their current week numbers, probably next to their life-time numbers. You can see how active they've been in the long run, but more importantly have an idea of their current contributions this week.
This is how people can immediately get recognized within a day or a few days by having a chance to show up on the leader list for the most recent 7 days. This isn't merely to stroke superhero egos, but instead is like an advertisement of currently active superheroes who have reported recent developments (and have been worthy of receiving votes). This shows who has the most recent contributions, and decidedly useful since it was actively voted for, of evidence and whatnot.
The leaders list will constantly be in flux since it's based on a demonstration of people's powers during that week. If you don't use your powers that week, then you're really only rumored to have those powers based on past record (life-time number in profile), so who's to say you still up to it? :-p
In other words, I think this would encourage more activity with less hopelessness, while the votes still help ensure people are contributing quality and not just quantity.
This could lead to a variety of people showing up at the top of the list instead of seeing the same ones all the time, which then helps automatically distribute collaborations since the same high-scoring people won't be the only ones seen.
Though… This game is really only going on for a few months… so, I guess this is actually more of a game with an end to it.
Hmm, with that in mind, it could still be ideal. For instance, it would obscure the life-time scores (being only available in the profiles) so people won't expect the winners to be the top in the list. This could be important since overall quality should counter sheer quantity, and likely the top scorers will be reviewed for quality for the final judgement. Quality isn't something that is related from a high score list, it can only be suspected until further investigation.
Probably not easily implemented, or rather not so quickly as to get it going in this game… but it could be useful on other sites, too.
As for sorting through all those contributions and getting useful search results, well, that's a different topic…
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Comment by Mrvica Tijanic on March 7, 2010 at 11:20pm
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:) :) :) you made me laugh, now - LOOK AT ME! Just kidding ;) You are absolutely right, and that is why I am even more glade to have your support. What can I tell you - you have been in Serbia, I` m sure you have seen the way things are done. If you haven`t heard - we have one answer for all kinds of problems - transition. And so we continue doing business as usually...
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Comment by Linda Holt on March 8, 2010 at 5:49am
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I am guilty. . . When I started playing, I had no idea how this game would open such a Pandora's Box of possibility. I started out thinking about sack gardens and now I'm entrenched in economics - all in four days!. For me, it's not for the points, it's like discovering another peice of a puzzle (or a new puzzle box) and wanting to share it with your game mates.
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Comment by Emil Dimitrov on March 8, 2010 at 9:38pm
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Attention whoring is inevitable in a game where attention is important. In my opinion people who want the 100+ powers as soon as possible but don't have enough time, nerves and imagination to write an interesting blog, shouldn't spam our boxes with things like "Hello guys! I peed in the sink and wrote a blog about it. Please check it out!". They could just upload 100 photos and give a random power to each one.
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I mean, if you believe in the quality of your article and want some feedback, go spam it wherever you can! But if you are unsure or just wrote some casual trashtalk, don't promote it just to get the few evoke powers!
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Comment by Mladenka Prvulovic on March 9, 2010 at 12:37pm
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Just like as you read my thoughts :)
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Actually I do ;)
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